Would a McCain-Romney ticket be winning?

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Dont Quote Me — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:23:19 GMT

In the wake of Mitt Romney's Times column on how to fix Detroit , Blue Mass. Group's David Kravitz

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Dan P. — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:57:20 GMT

Come clean? OMGROFL. Ok, as long as we're asking members of other religions to come clean because they have other texts or scriptures they consider holy or whatever, I'd like to hear from the Jewish community to ask both Evangelicals and Mormons, all Christians no matter how differing their denominations may be over this or that, to come clean on their other text since the New Testament is an additional text on top of the Old Testament.

Explain to me, come clean, on how it is that God happened to create the universe, Earth, all life, then Man and gave us a set of rules and then changed his mind and gave us a brand new set, which totally happened to negate the first, original set of rules? Like God's will was just wrong to begin with and he needed to get his act together on how he treated us. This is why texts, scriptures, and sermons are all secondary to true, actual faith. I'm not talking as a Deist like Brock, though I am probably aligned in that mindset very much, but I'm talking about being moral, religious people of any religion needing to understand that the words in the good book or books or other texts are all stories there to guide and relate to, not to take the place of or provide true faith.

Now, given that I'm skeptical enough to question the validity of the New Testament over the Old (especially when Jesus shares in his identity a backstory and other attributes similar to mythological features and the events of the Bible parallel those of a story that was told 1,000 years before it--Gilgamesh, the original epic), I'm equally willing to question why it's so absurd to think Jesus, or God, The Trinity, the Supreme Being...The Creator would rather establish his Earthen Headquarters in the Middle East when he could do it anyplace in America, lol.

So anyway, this Lutheran boy has his questions about his own religion that maybe you all can help me with. And after we have this discussion, maybe some Jews can finally get us to all come clean on where this New Testament came from that just so happens to erase all the ethos and tenets established in their original Old Testament. Then we can move onto to the Buddhists and ask of them how it is nature is so supreme, and while we're at it we'll ask the Hindus, What's with the sacred cow?

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Betsy Kachelmeier — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:44:21 GMT

Romney was my pick from the beginning. What I think is funny is that I had several friends and family members that voted for Huckabee because of the mormon issue, now they are saying that they wished they could turn back the hands of time!! Some have even commented that they wish it was a McCain/Romney ticket. I do believe that Obama would not have had a chance with Mitt on the ticket, the man knows about money and that is one issue that we are all worried about. It could have played right into McCains favor. Too bad he led a lot of us on to think it was Mitt then at the last minute bring Palin in, what was he thinking? I will still vote for McCain, nothing could bring me to vote for Obama.

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Brock — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:57:18 GMT

Every religion is good that teaches man to be good; and I know of none that instructs him to be bad.

--Thomas Paine

Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be true.

--Thomas Paine

Ok, though you may read those two quotes in direct opposition to each other, they actually speak to different elements of faith or religion. The first quote speaks to the evidence of religion being mankind's attempt to reach out to God and to be good. The second speaks to the evidence that people practicing religion get carried away with the literal meanings or particular preachings within their own brands of religion or worship.

There is no sane reason for a literal intepretation as I, a raised Episcopalian, can find absurdity in any scripture, which by the way, speaking of coming clean on matters, the Bible was voted on by mysterious and nameless men of "The Church" who determined which books would qualify as THE 'word of God' and therefore make it the book.

I would doubt God would employ men of any stripe to be the ones to deliver his word. To me the existence of life, and creation of the universe are the only true word of God since that's the thing man cannot pretend to have created--though far too many liberals like to pretend that the odds of Chance being the cause of the universe are greater than God (or some intelligent designer, lol).

The point is, I'm pretty sure it's not like when you die, that you have a Jewish line, a Muslim line, a Baptist line, a Mormon line, a Hindu line. I'm fairly sure that it doesn't work like a final exam you must pass by demonstrating your knowledge of what events transpired long before you lived or characters in any ancient and mysterious and likely fradulent or perverted text were up to. I doubt that God sits up there and says, you know you lived a great, moral, prosperous life, but you just didn't go to the right church and so sorry you can't get into Heaven, lol.

The point is that we need things like the Moral Majority to unify people of all faiths who do strive to be good and live a moral, ethical life. We need to focus on what we all have in common, not what our particular churches have at odds. If we do not, then things like what happened this year occur and we get weakened out of pettiness as people who are only further away from our values slide into power b/c guys who do represent our values got taken out by moot things that do not matter in deciding who would be the best leader of a secular office such as the Presidency.

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David — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:03:56 GMT

The comment, "The problem unfortunately for Romney is that the Mormon church has yet to come clean on it's history," is more than likely made by an evangelical "Christian," since few others would care. So as a Mormon, let me just say that fair's fair. Why don't you first come clean on your history (including, incidentally exactly how your Church's conception of the Trinity was reached). And by the way, since you seem to be concerned about Smith's polygamy, you might throw in a helpful explanation or two about Biblical polygamy while you're discussing your history.

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Spencer — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:29:40 GMT

Golfing, I'm curious how you know so much about unspoken and untaught dealings. Are they in some unread book or unseen photo? And what's it got to do with elections? Either you got dirt on Romney or not, don't be all mysterious.

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Rick Mave — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:33:13 GMT

You see Mark A, it's not as if we were unwilling to set the grudge aside. And by the grudge I mean all of McCain's previous and career infractions, not just the ones he implemented against Romney in the primary and most notably in Florida. All that needed to happen was for our nominee, John McCain, to lead the way in forgiving and forgetting and select Romney as VP. But no, McCain couldn't put his own grudge-holding behind him, he couldn't swallow his pride and do what the majority of Republicans wanted and what the GOP delegates overwhelmingly supported in their VP straw poll and pick Romney. McCain-Romney is actually an appealing ticket to anyone who is sensible and honest as it complements strength & strength as we are faced with great global crises in war and finance. McCain would've freed himself from the burden of mundane economic and domestic policy by delegating that to the most capable person around on the matters, giving himself all the freedom of his remaining days to pursue his passion of foreign policy. Instead, he chose to hold grudges, he chose not to swallow his pride and put country first, and so I see no reason to reward him with my vote. Voting for the Lesser-Of-Two-Evils is not a winning strategy and so when that's your nominee's highest draw, the most popular reason to vote for him, well then it won't matter if you and I vote for him or not because he is going to get thumped, trounced and embarassed on election day. So it's a matter of principle to me...McCain could've had my vote, could've had my forgiveness, but he didn't demonstrate the same capacity to begin with, and he's the one who needs us more than we need him.

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Ross — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:54:44 GMT

Romney - Jindal in 2012

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MarkA — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:56:07 GMT

While I agree with the gist of nearly all comments above, I would strongly advise that we all set aside our disdain for McCain, and vote for the republican ticket. McCain/ Palin, while not ideal, just "might" prevent our country from becoming socialist in the next 4 years!

Set the grudge aside. Frankly, I just can't imagine the damage which will occur under Obama influence, with full legislative and executive branch alignment; influence in the U.S. and unfortunately, in the world.

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golfing24-7 — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:43:27 GMT

The problem unfortunately for Romney is that the Mormon church has yet to come clean on it's history. There needs to be some disinfecting sunshine on the beginnings of the LDS church, including Joseph Smith's unspoken and untaught dealings with polyandry. Having said that though, I can separate the man from the religion he was raised. It is a rather benign religion today which teaches good values. I am glad to see that Romney is not involved in this year's scrum. With the exception of his dabble into the universal health care socialist program, he is rather fiscally conservative. In four years he'll have some serious mopping up to do and will be a perfect fit at the top of the ticket.

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Gary — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:46:05 GMT

I am leaving the republican party also. I've come to realize my own party is made up of some real fascist bigot-catholic-muslim-mormon hating rednecks. If you're not protestant a believe in their way of thinking, you aren't part of America.

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Sean — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:32:06 GMT

What happened to the nomination? How did we end up with McCain? Oh yes, those geniuses in Iowa. And Charlie Christ making a bid for VP. It should have been Romney at the top of the ticket.

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Rick Mave — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:49:28 GMT

Darrell....why stop there? If you're intent not only on staying home but getting Romney in 4 years, why not do as I'm doing and write-in Romney on this year's ballot? I'm encouraging everyone I know who is uneasy or dissatisfied with McCain to instead of protesting the vote, to do something positive for the future by writing-in Mitt to encourage him on for next time, and to help nudge the direction of the party that way, leaning into the next cycle.

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Darrell — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:17:52 GMT

Romney has obviously been distancing himself from the McCain campaign, except for the token interview.

Republicans: McCain has no chance. He is too many sandwiches short of the Nov. 4th picnic. Palin is embarrassing. Stay home on the 4th and let's get Romney in the White House in 2012.

This life-long conservative is sacrificing McCain (the next 4 years) and staying home.

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Larry — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:06:42 GMT

It's the economy stupid. An no one would be better equipped to debate the economy and provide credible proposals then Mitt Romney. McCain/Romney would have played to the strengths of both men, let McCain handle the wars while Romney addresses the economy. But McCain thinks more about himself and his petty dislikes of Romney than what is better for the country.