Defending Wikipedia (and the NYT)--updated!

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re: Defending Wikipedia (and the NYT)

Adam Reilly — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:36:35 GMT

Jimmy: perhaps "successfully pressured" was a poor choice of words. I was attempting to paraphrase this part of Richard Perez-Pena's article:

"Around that time, Catherine J. Mathis, the chief spokeswoman for the New York Times Company, called Mr. Wales and asked for his help. Knowing that his own actions on Wikipedia draw attention, Mr. Wales turned to an administrator, one of several who would eventually become involved in monitoring and controlling the page.

"On Nov. 13, news of the kidnapping was posted and deleted four times within four hours, before an administrator blocked any more changes for three days. On Nov. 16, it was blocked again, for two weeks."

So--would you be amenable to "sought and received Wikipedia's cooperation"? I'll make the change above, and reference both the original wording and your objection.

Also, I didn't say that Wikipedia broke any of its rules, as you suggest in your comment. I said Wikipedia constrained the freedom of some of its users. That seems accurate to me, since you (i.e., Wikipedia) seem to have made a concerted effort to delete information you knew to be true. (Presumably Mathis's phone call established that Rohde had, in fact, been kidnapped.) If I'm wrong, feel free to explain why. And thanks for weighing in.

re: Defending Wikipedia (and the NYT)

Jimmy Wales — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:08:25 GMT

It is not accurate at all to say either that the New York Times pressured me - there was no pressure of any kind, what pressure could they possibly exert on me?

Nor did anyone bend or break any rules of Wikipedia - we have very strict rules about reliable sourcing and biographies of living persons, and we enforced those standards.

re: Defending Wikipedia (and the NYT)

John Doe — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:54:15 GMT

Why are we to believe that the NYTimes was acting in Rohde's best interest? Because they say so? Aren't they the same people engineering the coverup? Couldn't they be covering for some kind of legal liability they might have?

Beyond that, I'd like to know where I can get my "stories that might kill you will not be published" pass. I'd send mine to George Tiller. Oh wait, I guess late-term abortions are more in the public interest than ongoing kidnappings in Afganistan, right?

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re: Defending Wikipedia (and the NYT)

Adam Reilly — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:26:34 GMT

Older, that's a good point, and one I should have addressed in my post. Here's my take: when the Times reports something like the warrantless wiretapping story, they're operating on the assumption that the threat to privacy is a massive public ill that outweighs any potential safety threat stemming from their reporting. In the Rohde case, I think, there's no comparable public ill that would have followed directly from the decision not to report.

Of course, the potential downside of reporting Rohde's kidnapped status--i.e., one man's life, versus (possibly) thousands or tens of thousands--was smaller, if more imminent. It's definitely tricky. And you won't be the only one making the hypocrisy charge.

re: Defending Wikipedia (and the NYT)

Older Thandirt — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:11:59 GMT

I'd be more understanding if it wasn't for the NYT double-standard. When it comes to releasing information about our secret program to track terrorists finances, they have no qualms about publishing that info, in essence working against America's safety. So what happens when terrorism hits home with them? Surprise, it's "hush-hush" to the point of deleting public information again or again. I'm glad the reporter is OK, but I'll never trust the NYT, and now wikipedia.