BT: You've talked to a few pretty good players; I would tell you that fear of failure was probably the single most powerful motivator for me my entire career. The thing I always tell people is, 'On the day I pitch, you couldn't pull a pin out of my ass with a tractor.' [audience laughs] There was nobody more afraid of failing than I was. But athletes go one of two directions. That fear of failure either paralyzes you or it centralizes you. And a lot of guys I've met, I'll never forget hearing them talk about guys on the field in 2003 that didn't want the ball hit to them. And when I came over here early in '04 I started making fun of people in the clubhouse about stuff like that. Didn't go over well the first couple days [audience laughs] but that had to go away. And I've always — and again, being around incredible teachers and mentors, and when you play for organizations that truly commit to the players in them, that kinda stuff tends to change. And I think that's what we had — a seismic mind shift here in the '04, in that clubhouse in '04, and it's been that way ever since.
PG: Did you find over the last 10 or 15 years, more players have been willing to admit, and I just remember Kevin Brown one time saying, 'I never take them out unless I call Harvey Dorfman,' — Kevin Brown!
Schilling: I had an 85 start stretch of games in '01 and '02 that was, I think, the pinnacle of my career, statistically, and that was for one reason — I worked with a sports psychologist every day for that two-and-a-half year stretch. And I look back at that as the most focused I'd ever been in my career, and ever was, and I never was close to that after that. But I'm huge proponent of using sports psychologists. And that's another field that's really come onto the scene big time.
JF: Yeah Peter, this game is so steep in tradition, you know, the mid-80s it was weight training came into the game. In the last probably 8 to 10 years, 12 years, maybe more, the mental side of the game has become more talked about, open and accepting, so I think Tewks brought it up, said it the best. You weren't afraid to go and kind of bare your soul on the things that, you know, you held within, when before you had to be the macho guy and go take the front line night in and night out.
PG: We could go on forever, we could go back to the San Francisco Giants and how they won the World Series pitching and . . . Jose Uribe. [audience laughs] But —
TE: But there's someone in the back who drove a tractor to the ballpark today . . .
[audience laughs and applauds]