CURT SCHILLING: No, hell no. [ Laughter] I was on the tail end of the previous era. I was taught by Johnny Podres that the number-one statistic — and the thing that I always talked about, going back to Bronson and talking early in my days here with the young pitchers here — the number-one statistic for starting pitchers is innings. If you pitch innings, and you lead the league in innings pitched, all the other numbers take care of themselves. This is a game of attrition. If you're not on the mound because you're hurt, or you're hit, you're not good. [laughter] And as a starting pitcher, when you're on the mound, and you're pitching of innings, all the other numbers accumulate. And that was taught to me in this organization. As a minor-leaguer, my pitch counts ran 125 to 135 pitches deep in some minor league games early on in my career. I don't think the science is done yet, I think there's another level — and John touched on it, and all the pitchers up here understand that very intimately. [ 6:22] I've thrown games where I threw 105 pitches and it felt like 280. And I've thrown a game where I've thrown 135 pitches and it felt like 85. There's high leverage and low leverage situations, and I think innings, that's the next level of detail for the Reinolds of the world and the trainers and pitching guys off the field to study. You see guys who go over 120 pitches and they get their start pushed back an extra day just because it's 120. And again, it's the score. . . . And a lot of it has to do with the team you play on. In this division, in this league, the opponents in this division, and the games you play over here, there are no low-leverage situations. Because you're an inning away, you're three or four hitters away from a tie ball game no matter who playing. Everybody's got an offense. It's a very different atmosphere, and it's a very different environment to pitch in the American league as well.

PG: Bronson, you and Tewk, came up, three a lot of innings, have been all-stars. I'd be curious as to your opinions.

BRONSON ARROYO: I tend to agree a little bit with . . . everything Curt said is dead on. I've been a guy that, I haven't been a hard thrower my whole career. There's so many variables when it comes to different guys you know? Curt was throwing, you know, he cranks up to 95, 96, 97 at will, I'm cranking it up to 91, so a lot of times I'm pitching games in the first few innings if I'm not in trouble and I'm throwing 86-87 on purpose. Some max-effort guys in the game are going to be completely different than me. Probably a third of the innings I pitch throughout a year are not max effort — it's not a situation where I've got guys on base and I don't have to go to everything I have left in the tank. I also feel like there's a huge variable in guys' off-season programs, because for me, I've been a guy that for the last 15 years that, to stay healthy — I figure that based on what I do on the off-season, I throw the ball almost year round. Despite what people probably think on the outside, our organizations really can't dictate what guys are doing at home, or in the Dominican Republic or whatever. So for a guy to come in to camp and think that he's in 100-percent shape after only tossing the ball for three weeks or a month, and then get hurt, based on a game where you throw 110 pitches, you don't really know what he was doing the last three or four months. And so, there are so many different factors when you're talking pitch counts and if guys can stay healthy or not that it's really hard to pinpoint unless you look at every individual situation.

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