For Berninger, it all culminates in taking everything that's inside and putting it out there — whether it's humorous, humiliating, or twisted — and just being truthful.

"I don't know if it ultimately leads you to be a better person or not; but I'm happy and I think a good person — a kind person in general — and channeling some of my uglier thoughts into rock songs was probably pretty helpful, and also super fun and indulgent. Bret Easton Ellis is somebody who is obviously able to expose some parts of our psyche that are there, and it's definitely a release valve in some way."

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