So there was tension between you and Dave? But I also remember your telling me that you’d left the band because you weren’t happy with the people your music was reaching.
Well, I don’t really intend to reach any certain kind of people. I intend to reach all kinds of people. But the audience had become very limited. It was an audience who had learned how to be at shows by watching television, not by going to shows. So it was a limited palette of people, and that’s what bothered me. When we do an all-ages show now, it’s an all-ages show — the kids come, but the ages are 50, 40, 10, 5. I like that. My goal is to write songs that transcend culture and age, so the audience is a big melting pot. That really gets me. I really love looking out there and seeing a Mohawk and a grandmother. And we’d reached the point where all I was looking out and seeing were frat boys and their girlfriends. It was like they’d bullied everyone else out of the way. But it’s hard to generalize. And that time has passed for sure. We’re in a kick-ass spot now: we belong to our crowd and they belong to us. I think we’ve also learned to value what we’ve achieved.
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