And what will be interesting to see — which I think is going to be fine, but I think it's going to be a challenge — and I think this really gets to your political point — is explaining to people for whom those decisions are unpopular or unwelcome, that I still see them, and I still care about them, and I still worry about them, and I know what to do when the revenue comes back but I have to do what must be done, and any governor would, in order to ensure we get through this crisis. I think we are making those decisions in ways that will ensure we are stronger and better when we come out than we were when we went in.

THE PHOENIX The economic crisis has prevented you from doing things, or made you make tough choices, but the legislature has also prevented you from doing some things that you wanted — including some things that you have thought would be efficiencies, re-organizations. I remember your first budget, you wanted to change the way the trial courts were funded. That seems to have gone by the wayside, that idea, which I liked. But now you've got the major transportation reform: we're seeing that they went and decided to do it their way to a large degree . . .

PATRICK That's not right.

THE PHOENIX Well, you tell me, has the re-organization, have they given you what you need to save the money and to create the efficiencies that you need?

PATRICK Oh yeah, yeah. In fact, the legislature, to their credit — and I gotta tell you, I have asked them to take some really hard votes. And in more than one case they did not want to take that vote. And in more than one case, they were public about the fact that they did not want to take that vote. But they've stepped up and done it. They did not want to do pension or ethics reform in the beginning, but they did it unanimously in most cases. In the case of transportation reform, not unanimous but more than enough.

And they gave us very broad powers. I mean, that quarter of a billion dollars that was saved, that's real. That's one time, but it's already been saved and that was just dealing with the swaptions. We were able to re-negotiate the swaptions because we could show the re-org and the efficiencies that would come of it. There's a $30 million annual savings that comes just by moving the transportation employees into the GIC. And that's going to compound year after year after year. We are negotiating the integration of the workforce right now with the transportation unions — but we don't have to. The law doesn't require us to do so. We are doing it because we think that it's going to be more successful in the end if we are collaborative about it.

The reason I offer that example is that to some extent, the legislature gave us the maximum amount of authority and we're just trying to make sure it's as successful as possible and that we are as respectful as we can be of the employees' representatives in trying to get to yes, and get them together.

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