DO YOU THINK OF THE SHOW AS A CRITIQUE OF MARRIAGE? We are afraid as a culture to discuss this very important thing. However, we exhibit our fears, in a way, by being fascinated by those areas on the fringes — you know, polygamist marriage, gay marriage. All of that's just so titillating and fascinating to our culture. Marriage was a rotten basic idea a long, long time ago, and we've been trying to make the best of it ever since. We've been thinking ourselves very clever to make it however we want it, because it's ridiculous. We don't have to say that "this person is mine," "to have and to hold," and that I will do whatever they say and blah, blah, blah. We'll write our own vows, and we don't have to say anything about "having," even in the nicest way.

I think that it's possible that, in the end, you can't really do that, but we've been trying to pretend that we can do something that was originally a pretty rotten thing by just redefining it however we like, and those inevitable antecedents don't ever ever have to come bubbling up. We think we can live in denial of everything just by saying we deny it and therefore we're liberated from it.

HAVE YOU BEEN MARRIED? Three times, but now I've been living with someone for 20 years.

WAS YOUR DECISION NOT TO MARRY AGAIN A POLITICAL ONE? I don't know that it was political. I just know none of the three times that I got married, I myself actually needed that. It was the other person that seemed to need that. So, I just feel very fortunate that Philip doesn't need that.

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