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The blessing of abortion

By ADAM REILLY  |  June 12, 2009
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IN HER CORNER: Retired bishop of Newark John Shelby Spong says of Ragsdale, “I think she’ll be a spectacular dean.”
Pushing ahead
There is, in Ragsdale's own telling, something highly improbable about the path that brought her to where she is today: leader of a major Episcopal institution, walking embodiment of contemporary Episcopalian liberalism, right-wing bête noire. She got involved in progressive politics almost by accident, for example, landing an office-manager job at Common Cause Virginia after graduating from William & Mary University in Williamsburg, Virginia, and before heading to Virginia Theological Seminary (VTS) in Alexandria. Three days later, the executive director quit, and Ragsdale found herself lobbying the legislature in the state where she was born and raised.

In 1985, one year into her studies at VTS, the bishop she had thought would ordain her died — and his replacement subsequently told Ragsdale that he didn't ordain lesbians. (At the time, Ragsdale says, she didn't even know that she was a lesbian.) So she eventually found someone who did — John Shelby Spong, then the Episcopal bishop of Newark, New Jersey, an iconic figure to aggressively liberal Christians of all stripes and a vocal champion of gay rights in the Episcopal Church.

Ragsdale's involvement with the abortion issue, too, seems almost accidental. Also in 1985, she began representing the Episcopal Women's Caucus on the board of the Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights (since re-named the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice). But at the outset, Ragsdale says, "I wasn't even particularly pro-choice. . . . I hadn't given it a lot of thought. Being a lesbian, it wasn't a big issue for me, personally."

Clearly, things have changed. And now, a quarter-century later, Ragsdale finds herself in a position somewhat reminiscent of that held by Gene Robinson back in 2003. To wit: depending on your point of view, the fact that Ragsdale is about to run an institution charged with shaping the minds of the Episcopal clergy is proof either of how far the Episcopal Church has come or how far it's fallen.

The Reverend Peter Frank — a spokesperson for the Pittsburgh-based Anglican Communion Network, which is attempting to create a parallel, conservative network of formerly Episcopal churches here in the US — is inclined to the latter view. "That a seminary of the Episcopal Church will be led by a priest who believes that abortion is a blessing and that Jesus was primarily a first-century progressive political activist is, sadly, not a surprise," Frank tells the Phoenix via e-mail. "The Rev. Katherine Ragsdale may be more vocal than most, but her opinions are not uncommon among Episcopal Church leaders."

Spong, who retired as bishop of Newark in 2000, has a radically different take. "When Katherine came into our diocese," he recalls, "she was just a vital human being — very popular with other clergy, active in the political maneuvering of [the annual Episcopalian General Convention], frequently on her feet on the floor talking. She had enormous intellectual capacity. I think she'll be a spectacular dean."

What's more, Spong contends, Ragsdale's appointment at EDS demonstrates that the issue of gay rights is essentially settled, once and for all, in the Episcopal Church. "In my opinion," he says, "the battle over gay equality has been over a long time. It's just that religious and political forces keep it alive, for various reasons. But that battle's over."

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Re: The blessing of abortion
Sorry...this lady's a joke. www.horriblesanity.com
By Horrible Sanity on 06/04/2009 at 6:54:48
Re: The blessing of abortion
I want to thank the editors for publishing this article. It is very representative of the depths to which this country has fallen. In Nazi Germany when Jews, gypsys, and others were labled less than human, the world grew outraged and condemed the immorality. Now the church is saying that a human being can have it's head punctured, brain sucked out, or limbs torn from a body and it's a blessing? If this is the view of the Episcopal Church, then Josef Mengele must be their patron saint. I grive the theology this woman must be endorsing  and ask how can anyone with such vileness and disregard for children be a priest or the head of a seminary? But I know the answer; somewhere along the way, her theology and personal views have been validated. When will the world stand up to her? Or will be simply go our own ways, nodding in affirmation to the values Hitler offered?
By RevJLS on 06/04/2009 at 1:20:20
Re: The blessing of abortion
I want to thank the editors for publishing this article. It is very representative of the depths to which this country has fallen. In Nazi Germany when Jews, gypsys, and others were labled less than human, the world grew outraged and condemed the immorality. Now the church is saying that a human being can have it's head punctured, brain sucked out, or limbs torn from a body and it's a blessing? If this is the view of the Episcopal Church, then Josef Mengele must be their patron saint. I grive the theology this woman must be endorsing  and ask how can anyone with such vileness and disregard for children be a priest or the head of a seminary? But I know the answer; somewhere along the way, her theology and personal views have been validated. When will the world stand up to her? Or will we simply go our own ways, nodding in affirmation to the values Hitler offered?
By RevJLS on 06/04/2009 at 1:21:16
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It CONFOUNDS me - how the ANTI-CHOICE peoples cannot see the BLATANT hypocrisy of  actions & words….to all you christians out there....
isnt it true that the bible more or less says..
“ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE”
soooo...What someone else does with thier body - really isnt any of your business If god thinks its wrong - he'll sort it out with that person on "judgement day"...till then - Mind your own BIZ  - you'll probably find yourself alot happier!  :)
Also what about the bible passage - and i’m paraphrasing here - …
don’t point out the tiny splinter in your neighbors eye - when there is a full 4×4 plank in your own eye !” so what if you think these people are “sinning” - let god sort em out…
mind your own soul. *God must REEEALY like DUMB PEOPLE - Cause he made SO MANY of them!!!*
By hilary clare on 06/04/2009 at 1:38:18
Re: The blessing of abortion
 hey hilary, what if you witnessed someone mugging an 80 year old lady with a walker, and when you confronted him, he replied, "Mind your own BIZ. ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE.mind your own soul", I suppose you'd reply "Gee, you're right. I never thought of that.", and then you'd just walk away and not do anything.Please ponder the following: Do you think there's a difference between 'judging' and 'observation'?"God must REEEALY like DUMB PEOPLE - Cause he made SO MANY of them!!!" Stoopid iz as stoopid sez. I tend to think that people make themselves stupid by unreflectively buying into cultural propaganda.You know the type.Or maybe I'm the dumb one and your post is a subtle parody?
By Robert Fisher on 06/04/2009 at 1:52:41
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Hilary -- we believe that God will judge our souls, but that doesn't preclude our judging one's actions in this life. What do you think laws are for?
By LaBoulangere on 06/04/2009 at 7:24:47
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Somewhere between conception and birth the zygote becomes a human being capable of thinking and feeling. The right of human beings not to be destroyed trumps the rights of others to greater personal convenience- especially given the adoption option.
By Farnkoff on 06/04/2009 at 7:51:04
Re: The blessing of abortion
If the fetus cannot live w/o the mother - ITS NOT ALIVE!!!it is ONLY alive due to its dependance on the  mother.. UNTIL it is able to live on its own (5 months or so if prematurely born)... it is like a part of your body...
its akin to clipping one's fingernails - or cutting ones hair - or removing a wart...
 Its like they always say.... "if you dont like Abortions... DONT HAVE ONE" Other peoples Uterus's are NONE of YOUR business!!!What would happen if you got impregnated against your will by RAPE?  would you like the option to have control of your  body?    It seems as if people care MORE about an unborn cluster of cells - than people who are actually alive...  pro-life / anti-choice people supporting the death penalty & supporting the WAR in IRAQ...a little hypocritical don't ya think? People who DO NOT support Abortions are NOT thinking with science - they are thinking with religious ideals & fables - which as we all know are NOT VERY SCIENTIFIC (flat earth anyone?)   Religion has disempowered women to have contol over their bodies & lives.  I donno about you, but I'm GLAD I dont live in the DARK AGES!!!  

 
By hilary clare on 06/05/2009 at 12:13:11
Re: The blessing of abortion
I tend to think that people make themselves stupid by unreflectively buying into religous propaganda...
By hilary clare on 06/05/2009 at 12:16:49
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I tend to think that people make themselves stupid by unreflectively buying into religious propaganda...
By hilary clare on 06/05/2009 at 12:17:13
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@ Robert Fisher - - - I tend to think that people make themselves stupid by not using fact based & critical thinking skills and blindly buying into religious propaganda. also if you do not have a uterus - your opinion of this matter is completely irrelevant.
By hilary clare on 06/05/2009 at 12:22:05
Re: The blessing of abortion
Let’s see . . . In her first post, Hilary Clare takes off on "dumb people," but in that 139-word screed, she manages 16 mistakes in spelling, capitalization, punctuation, word choice, and/or pronoun usage [see below]. Sorta makes you wonder, don’t it? (Later posts also go after "stupid" people. Good job, there, Hilary.) It CONFOUNDS me - how the ANTI-CHOICE peoples [(1) Nope: It’s "people."] cannot see the BLATANT hypocrisy of actions & words….to all you christians [(2) Nope: It’s "Christians."] out there.... isnt [(3) Nope: It’s "Isn’t."] it true that the bible more or less says.. "ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE" soooo...What someone else does with thier [(4 & 5) Nope: It’s "their." But even it you spell that pronoun correctly, it needs to be singular to agree with its antecedent – "her."] body - really isnt [(6) See #3.] any of your business - If god [(7) Nope: It’s "God."] thinks its [(8) Nope: It’s "it’s."] wrong - he'll [(9) Nope: It’s "He."] sort it out with that person on "judgement [(10) Nope: It’s "judgment."] day"...till then - Mind your own BIZ - you'll probably find yourself alot [(11) Nope: It’s "a lot" (two words).] happier! :) Also what about the bible passage - and i’m [(12) Nope: It’s "I’m."] paraphrasing here - … "don’t point out the tiny splinter in your neighbors [(13) Nope: It’s "neighbor’s."] eye - when there is a full 4×4 plank in your own eye !" so [(14) Nope: It’s "So."] what if you think these people are "sinning" - let god [(15) See # 6.] sort em [(16) Nope: It needs an apostrophe – "’em."] out… mind your own soul. *God must REEEALY like DUMB PEOPLE - Cause he made SO MANY of them!!!* But apart from these solecisms, the real problem with Hilary is her error in fact: She speaks of "[w]hat someone does with thier [sic] body." The body of the human being inside a woman’s uterus is not the body of the woman. That tiny human being has completely different DNA; more likely than not, it has a different blood type; it has about a 50-50 chance of being a boy; it can have different color eyes, hair, skin, etc. Even a "stupid" person knows that the child’s body is not the mother’s body.  The issue is not about what a woman does to HER OWN body. Very simply -- as Planned Parenthood wrote in a pamphlet ("Plan Your Children for Health and Happiness") in 1963:  "An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun." 
By Tom Long on 06/05/2009 at 1:19:30
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Let’s see . . . In her first post, Hilary Clare takes off on "dumb people," but in that 139-word screed, she manages 16 mistakes in spelling, capitalization, punctuation, word choice, and/or pronoun usage [see below]. Sorta makes you wonder, don’t it? (Later posts also go after "stupid" people. Good job, there, Hilary.) It CONFOUNDS me - how the ANTI-CHOICE peoples [(1) Nope: It’s "people."] cannot see the BLATANT hypocrisy of actions & words….to all you christians [(2) Nope: It’s "Christians."] out there.... isnt [(3) Nope: It’s "Isn’t."] it true that the bible more or less says.. "ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE" soooo...What someone else does with thier [(4 & 5) Nope: It’s "their." But even it you spell that pronoun correctly, it needs to be singular to agree with its antecedent – "her."] body - really isnt [(6) See #3.] any of your business - If god [(7) Nope: It’s "God."] thinks its [(8) Nope: It’s "it’s."] wrong - he'll [(9) Nope: It’s "He."] sort it out with that person on "judgement [(10) Nope: It’s "judgment."] day"...till then - Mind your own BIZ - you'll probably find yourself alot [(11) Nope: It’s "a lot" (two words).] happier! :) Also what about the bible passage - and i’m [(12) Nope: It’s "I’m."] paraphrasing here - … "don’t point out the tiny splinter in your neighbors [(13) Nope: It’s "neighbor’s."] eye - when there is a full 4×4 plank in your own eye !" so [(14) Nope: It’s "So."] what if you think these people are "sinning" - let god [(15) See # 6.] sort em [(16) Nope: It needs an apostrophe – "’em."] out… mind your own soul. *God must REEEALY like DUMB PEOPLE - Cause he made SO MANY of them!!!* But apart from these solecisms, the real problem with Hilary is her error in fact: She speaks of "[w]hat someone does with thier [sic] body." The body of the human being inside a woman’s uterus is not the body of the woman. That tiny human being has completely different DNA; more likely than not, it has a different blood type; it has about a 50-50 chance of being a boy; it can have different color eyes, hair, skin, etc. Even a "stupid" person knows that the child’s body is not the mother’s body.  The issue is not about what a woman does to HER OWN body. Very simply -- as Planned Parenthood wrote in a pamphlet ("Plan Your Children for Health and Happiness") in 1963:  "An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun." 
By Tom Long on 06/05/2009 at 1:19:52
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Yes, Ragsdale's "abortion is a blessing" remarks sound provocative.  That's why I searched the web to find the full text of her sermon/speech in Birmingham, and read it in its full context.  Reverend Ragsdale makes it clear that it is women's moral agency which is at stake, and that if those who oppose abortion truly want to reduce its frequency, then they need to address the various problems which make it a necessity. And the parallel she makes with her brother's heart surgery is very apropros.  Imagine a segment of society arguing that we should not do heart surgeries at all, citing some moralistic absolute, while at the same time opposing changes in diet and lifestyle which could substantially reduce the frequency of the very thing they claim to hate. So for all of you commenting here on how much you hate abortion ... Will you stand up for widespread availability of contraception and meaningful sex education, thus preventing unintented pregnancies?  Will you stand up for economic changes to lift women out of poverty, including affordable childcare?  Will you stand up to confront violence against women, whether it be rape by a stranger or abuse by someone who claims to love them? You can't have it both ways.  You can't condemn abortion while turning a blind eye to the tragedies which bring it about.  You can't call for reducing or eliminating abortion while opposing the most effective means of doing so.  You can't go on claiming the moral high ground by denying women any moral agency to choose whether and when to bear and beget a child.
By Desmond Ravenstone on 06/05/2009 at 7:38:07
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 Thanks Desmond: very well put. I find it intersting that no-one has taken you up on your challenge. I suppose it is easier to point fingers, prosthelytize, cut and paste quotes from the 60's, utilize the same old tired Nazi-non sequiteur-ad hominem attacks and call someone out on their poor grammar skills than address the real issues that surround abortion.
By mezzobuff on 06/06/2009 at 11:29:43
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Desmond is using 'reasoning' here that he would not
use in morally analogous circumstances. So Desmond, do
you think it's wrong to outlaw a rapist's actions until 
we can find him a consensual partner? 
Or that we can't outlaw theft until we give the potential thief whatever he wants? You are setting up a ransom/hostage situation with regards to abortion: "Fork over the loot, or the kid gets it." 
You also overlook the fact that the vast majority of abortions *are* 
done for convenience, *not* because of any real economic pressure.
In addition, crisis pregnancy centers outnumber abortion clinics in this country. 
Women already *have* other options, so I'm not sure how what you suggest would lessen abortions. 
By Alex McIntyre on 06/06/2009 at 1:39:37
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I'll take it one step further than Desmond. Are anti-abortionists willing to support research into reproductive technologies so that removing an embryo/zygote from a pregnant woman does not result in its non-viability? Think of what a boon that would be; most adoptive mothers could experience pregancy and be better prepared to the addition to their family; the IVF success rate would vastly improve and the need for surrogate mothers would be greatly reduced.
By cass_m on 06/06/2009 at 2:04:58
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It is incredibly sad that the Episcopal Church, once a force in American life, has dwindled to so few members that the only ones remaining condone a leader who considers abortion "a blessing." Life is precious from conception to natural death, and no dean of a dying seminary can change that fact. I hope someday the Episcopal Church will remember the ideals it was actually founded upon.
By Timothy on 06/06/2009 at 3:30:19
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Desmond- Certainly I support sex education, availability of contraception to minors, and anti-poverty measures as well as health care reform. In most respects I am a liberal- but I feel that abortion is, in most cases, an inhumane option.
By Farnkoff on 06/06/2009 at 8:10:13
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Farnkoff wrote: "Desmond- Certainly I support sex education, availability of contraception to minors, and anti-poverty measures as well as health care reform. In most respects I am a liberal- but I feel that abortion is, in most cases, an inhumane option."   I can certainly respect that overall viewpoint, which is in line with what some call a "consistent pro-life" position.  Where we disagree the most is your dismissive stereotype that women who choose abortion do so out of "personal convenience."  Can you even point to a reliable survey of women who have had abortions, and their reasons why?  I would hope that more of us could work together towards reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies to begin with, rather than making such negative blanket judgements about women's motivations behind their choices.
By Desmond Ravenstone on 06/06/2009 at 9:13:42
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Thank you, Katherine, from the very bottom of my heart. That is all I will say.
By wrenbaby on 06/08/2009 at 9:47:12
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 testing.
By Robert Fisher on 06/08/2009 at 10:20:05
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Desmond, I'm afraid you've thrown out a bunch of red herrings. There already are more crisis pregnancy centers in the US than abortion clinics, and they are not being utilized. It's hard to see what difference your reforms would make if people would rather murder their babies than give them up for adoption.



It also seems to me you are utilizing reasoning here that you would not use in morally identical circumstances. Do you think it's wrong to prevent a rapist from raping until we can find him a consensual partner? Or that we can't outlaw theft until we give the potential thief whatever he wants? You are setting up a ransom/hostage situation with regards to abortion: "Fork over the loot, or the kid gets it." It's ridiculous.The vast majority of abortions *are* done for convenience, *not* because of any real economic pressure.



And have you ever considered that we wouldn't prevent heart surgeries because we are morally obligated to try to *save* lives? Because human life is valuable?

You can't (or at least ought not) go around slinging tendentious rhetoric and unsupported assertions and think you've proved anything. Nobody's buying it. Will you at least a) look at the facts b) try at least to be consistent with your own ethical views in analogous circumstances.
By Robert Fisher on 06/08/2009 at 10:36:57
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Oddly, whenever I see this issue discussed- I have never seen anyone suggest that for every abortion there is a man involved.  Why is this always seen as a "woman" issue?  If men would carefully consider and take responsibility for where they put their penis--perhaps abortion would not be a problem.
By gryfnn on 06/19/2009 at 9:20:25
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To all anti-abortionists:  If/when you volunteer to adopt any fetus about to be aborted, then I'll listen to your arguments about it being a wasted or murdered life.  If you want to insist on imposing your values on every woman, then step up and take responsibility!
By LubbockGayMale on 07/07/2009 at 1:55:56
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It's almost funny how the anthem of the truly desperate is to bring up obfuscating and non-related issues like the war in Iraq.  If you're really, really mentally deficient, you might think you have no right to a Pro-Life opinion because soldiers are dying. (head scratcher, huh?!)  Anyway, back to my observation:  Hilary is scary because she is so desensitized to the value of life that she compares aborting a baby to clipping fingernails, but hey, her opinion doesn't affect much in the universe; I'm sure only a couple of people are influenced by her views, if that.  But this "clergyperson," is affecting and influencing many, and in the name of the church.  It's startling, mortifying, but not at all surprising to those of use who have studied sociology at the graduate level and know intimately the racist and insidious roots of Planned Parenthood and the entire Pro-Abortion movement.  Ever wonder, Hilary and your ilk, why "Roe," the original woman in the case you laud so often, was just arrested for PROTESTING ABORTION? Read about it, then think about it. 
By LaLila on 07/16/2009 at 12:03:23
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Just curious, LubbockGayMale, does your criterion for having a valid opinion on this also apply to child abuse and neglect?  In other words, I can't object to parents physically or sexually abusing their  six year old child unless I'm willing to adopt it myself? What about crimes against adults?  I can't be "against" rape of an adult woman unless I'm going to go out there in the streets and patrol at night, trying to protect grown women from their potential rapists?  
By LaLila on 07/16/2009 at 12:05:48

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