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PODCAST: "Campaign War Stories" with David Axelrod, David Plouffe, Rick Davis, Bill McInturff, and Gwen Ifill

For just the second time since change came to America, the respective leaders of the Obama and McCain campaigns sat down at the same table -- last week, at the Harvard University Institute for Politics -- to set the record straight about what went wrong, what went right, and what happened behind the scenes during Campaign 2008. It played to a packed house that included at least half of CNN's best-political-team regulars -- no surprise, since shit like this is basically a Jonas Bros concert for media hacks.

"Here we are in a year we elected the first black president," opined moderator Gwen Ifill at the outset, "and I get to share the stage with four white guys." Which was an early cue that Gwen wasn't going to be as stiff as she was during her debate. Right off the bat she grilled Axelrod about his contacts with Illinois senate-seat salesman Rod Blagojevich, and soon after she called bullshit on McCain pollster Bill McInturff, forcing him to defend his ludicrous assessment in the closing days of the campaign that McCain was closing strong. (McInturff's defense included the dubious and yet revealing admonition that he hoped an historic black-voter turnout would produce an accompanying surge of "rural American" voters; he also admitted that the McCain campaign was blindsided by an enormous Hispanic turnout in the Southwest.) 

Rick Davis admitted, with a shrug, that the campaign might as well have ended on September 15, and conceded that although McCain made the final call not to invoke Rev. Wright in the final weeks of the battle, the campaign's internal polling suggested that the most wildly optimistic best-case scenario even if Wright did become a campaign-ad focus would've been for McCain to win the electoral college with 273 votes -- and lose the popular vote by about three million. Davis also got in the punchline of the evening, in response to a question about whether Sarah Palin had hurt or helped McCain. His response? "You get what you pay for." 

On the Obama side, Axelrod and Plouffe found themselves in the enviable position of preaching to the choir -- an anecdotal survey of question-askers revealed a higher-than-average contingent of Obama volunteers in the audience. As befits the winners, the pair could afford to be smug: as the Davids bragged about how they came to take it for granted that their war-room was leak-proof, Davis and McInturff sighed and exchanged meaningful shrugs. There was still a little testiness between the two camps, which bloomed into a couple of back-and-forth exchanges on which of McCain's Faustian bargains had ultimately sunk him. The typically mild-mannered Plouff couldn't help himself from making a snippy, derisive aside about "another of Rick's Ayers ads" (whereupon Davis gave a who-me? double-take and jabbed a thumb at McInturff). 

Great stuff for politics junkies -- and lucky for you, we've got the whole thing on tape. So without further ado, here's the hour-plus exchange, uncut, with the post-showdown Q&A included. Many thanks to the folks over at Harvard's JFK Forum for inviting us. 

DOWNLOAD: "Campaign 2008 War Stories" with David Axelrod, David Plouffe, Rick Davis, Bill McInturff, and Gwen Ifill [mp3]

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3 Comments

  • jeffery mcnary said:

    well,lol, all this is well and good, but it was broadcast live on the kennedy school site, and it can still be viewed via their archives. if you really wanna see axelrod and plouffe, perhaps ' cadillac records' might provide an option. there's a striking similarity between the chess brothers and black musicians and axe and pluff and deval and the oba. only the names are changed.

    December 16, 2008 10:17 AM
  • jeffery mcnary said:

    i didn't want anyone to think 'the one' is flawed in anyway. but here's xmas past:

    “We’ve got a governor in Rod Blagojevich who has delivered consistently on behalf of the people of Illinois.” -barack obama, illinois state fair, august 2006.

    xmas present:

    “Valerie Jarrett, a senior adviser to Obama’s presidential campaign and a member of his finance committee. Jarrett is the chief executive of Habitat Co., which managed Grove Parc Plaza from 2001 until this winter and co-managed an even larger subsidized complex in Chicago that was seized by the federal government in 2006, after city inspectors found widespread problems.”

    -boston globe, june 27, 2008

    and xmas future:

    the only minority on obama's 'acceptable'to blago was valerie jarrett....lol.

    "Although U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. campaigned aggressively for the job, he apparently did not make the cut.

    U.S. Rep. Danny Davis, who is backed by a coalition of West Side ministers, also was not on the list.

    Illinois Senate President Emil Jones, once Obama's political mentor, announced his interest in the job the weekend before the Blagojevich scandal broke.

    He wasn't on the list either.

    In the case of Jackson and Jones, a lot of people will likely argue that given their relationships with Obama, the absence of their names is a good thing.

    For a black politician to overcome the perception that he or she is a black candidate is still a challenge.

    Despite Obama's success, a black person's elevation to the U.S. Senate is still a very long shot.

    Yet, without the presence of an African American, the Senate does not reflect America's diversity."

    -chicago sun times, december 15, 2008

    oba, 'the one', the only....yes? yes he can...lol

    December 16, 2008 2:00 PM
  • Carly Carioli said:

    Yep, Jeffrey, it _was_ broadcast via Harvard -- but only if you have a Netscape-era RealPlayer plugin, and for some reason they didn't make the audio available for download. (We were actually there, by the way -- our audio is straight from the Harvard sound feed, not ripped from their site.) As for Comment #2, I think you may be on the wrong blog -- "Take Back Barack" posts go over here: www.thephoenix.com/takebackbarack/. In any case, I'm totally buying the Cadillac Records comparison -- please elaborate on your blog so we can actually credit someone with it instead of waving vaguely in the direction of our comments . . .

    December 22, 2008 9:24 PM

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